Re: Planet X: Dec 4 Images!

Michael L Cunningham wrote in message <3DF2F159.4070907@earthlink.net>
> Steve Havas wrote:
> > Exciting new images everyone! I took 11 x 4 min exposures on Dec 4 and these are now available on
> > the ZT site.
> > 
> > http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy3.htm
> > 
> > The "red" and "white" personas have been identified and Zeta confirmed.
> > 
> > http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/zeta4.htm
> > 
> > Size increase for the "red" persona is DRAMATIC and shows up extremely well on all frames. The
> > "white" persona is almost exactly at the Dec 6 coordinate location.
> > 
> > http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/shavas16.htm
> > http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy4.htm
> > 
> > Tholen, is this another new variable star? Maybe the one from Nov 15-16 moved to this new location
> > and swelled greatly in size!
> 
> Nice try Steve but no cookie. It's in all your images because you 
> actually captured a field star! It's even visible on the DSS image you 
> supplied! IT's also on the USNO-A2 catalog as a star with a red 
> magnitude of 13.8, Blue magnitude of 15.1, and visual magnitude of 14.3.
> 
> Your image also shows a soft focus (that's why it's bloated) and is full 
> of pixel defects but once it's cleaned up with the proper processing, 
> your candiate is just a field star.
> 
> Don't feel bad... at least you're taking images of smoething other than 
> defects!!!
> 
> Michael

Michael: If you are talking about the "red" persona, I do not think
you are correct.  Can you indicate the USNO-A2.0 star you are
identifying?

The "red persona" appears to be stellar (which is why Havas is so
excited about the big size increase ... of course its bigger as this
is the first time he has picked a star instead of a defect). It is no
larger than the other stellar objects ... nothing special in the size
department.  The image is poorly focused so it is hard to come up with
a magnitude ... at least a 1000 times fainter than Lieder's
predictions though.

Please understand, I am agreeing that Havas has picked out something
imaged with the telescope rather than a defect.  I am not agreeing
that this is Lieder's planet.

The "white persona" is a defect on frame 3. Havas: contemplate the
difference between the size of your red and white "personae" ... that
is one of the differences between an object being imaged by the scope
and a defect on a CCD image.

Havas: get another image with same scope/CCD/exposure ASAP and look
for the movement (if any) of this object.  I do not see it at that
location on the Nov 15/16 images.